Well actually, if you play Fallout 3 and change the controls every time you start a new game... the only repetitive thing would be the clicking, and with some 3rd party tool you'd probably be able to swap around mouse buttons

But you'd still be using a keyboard and mouse. That's repetitive. You have to invent a new way to control the game every time you play it.

You always miss my point. Lol.

The point is, that there is no such thing as a non-repetitive game, because you can NOT have unlimited unique outcomes. Not even real life has unlimited unique outcomes (limited by technology of course)

Even still, you are still playing Fallout 3.

AND YOU'RE STILL YOU! OMYGOODNESS! I'll have to play every game as somebody else...

But yah, I get your point. Even with a lot of unique outcomes, people will still get tired of a game. They may not even like it in the first place due to an open-ended structure. I, for one, like gettting the BEST ending, and if there are unlimited endings, that's impossible.

You mean games like this or this, where there are lots of different endings depending how you handled it? In the first one especially you can even get combinations of endings, depending on the state of different objects (for example, if you attribute the Phaenomena to Germaincus as well as smashing the painting of the vase). The game takes five minutes to play, but there are I-don't-know-how-many ways it can work out.

I'm just saying,

all games are repetitive. That is why there is something called "replay value".

excuse me, but I have some chicken nuggets and fries to devour.

edit: ah damn im full anyone want some nuggets n fries?

Ya sure I'll take 'em. Already ate 6 slices of pizza and a muffin, but I can eat.

*snatches a handful of fries and 2 nuggets from Red* Om nom nom...

Anyway *gulp*, yeah, all games are repetitive in one way or another. A 100% unrepetitive game (which is just as impossible as a zero-friction surface) would be the only game you need.
And even Doctor Lunatic: Supreme With Cheese doesn't truly fit that category.

But in World of Goo there are frictionless surfaces.

So if I build a game/mod in World of Goo...it can be completely unrepetitive?

OH MAN AP FIGURED IT OUT! WOO!

All i meant was every new cod or fps that has been in a sequel is repetitive as crap and it's been done so many times before and it's getting boring!

(Thanks too my friend i got sick of Skyrim before it even came out!).

Oh btw i do play fps games and like them I didn't say i hated them.

I think I would like FPS's if they actually paid a good amount of attention to plot. But they don't; the plot modern FPS games use is almost identical to Doom and Wolfenstein. Oh, there's monsters invading everywhere; let's blow them to smithereens (Like Gears of War 3, Halo, and others; practically perfect Doom takeoffs). Oh, there's a ton of Nazis invading; let's blow them to smithereens (Like Call of Duty; Wolfenstein takeoffs). Not much new and creative. I watched the final cutscene of one modern FPS and the emotion put into it was about par to:
1st person: Wow, we escaped alive.
2nd person: You're my friend.
1st person: oh, yay
The end.

I think I would probably find them more interesting if there was some kind of actual plot involved. And I also dislike gameplay sacrificed for realism- i.e. limited ammo. While limited ammo is good if used right (like in one of my favorite games called Commander Keen), it really makes no sense to me to have limited ammo in a game where the only point of the game is to shoot everyone. At least give the players unlimited ammunition so they can blow other people to smithereens effectively.

I dunno; that's mostly what I dislike about FPS's. I also dislike shooting for shooting's sake; I'd rather have a complicated plot involved so I have something to think about while I'm blowing stuff to smithereens. And I also dislike having enemies be able to sneak up behind me; gives me the willies.

So if you like FPS's, play Doom. It's actually pretty fun and (gasp) not entirely linear like most FPS's on the market today. I haven't played Wolfenstein yet, but I may get around to it some day...

This being said, I have heard that Fallout is a good series, puggsoy. Just haven't gotten around to playing that either.

Keep in mind, the first two are way different than the third. Fallout 3's gameplay is basically like the Elder Scrolls series (well, it is made by Bethesda), where most of the time you're in FPS mode but you can scroll out into 3rd person if you want. Most menus and inventory systems and stuff is similar too.
The first two are way different, they're point-and-click in an isometric view. The battles are turn-based too, which is pretty interesting.

But they're all based in the same post-nuclear-war world, you use caps as currency and all that jazz, which is what really appeals to me in the series. I've only played Fallout 1 and 3, but I've heard that the second is almost exactly the same as the first (I think that there are a few improvements but the graphics are the same) and I'm pretty sure New Vegas is also just a slight improvement of the third.

Having said all that, you probably knew it all anyway XD

Oh, and I know what you mean about FPS's having no plot: Far Cry 2 is smack bang in the middle of that category. I've gotten up to 80% ad I want to finish it so that I have a reason to install Crysis (which I'm sure will be better), but it's just SO BORING. I'm waiting until I feel like shooting someone from the back of an assault truck.

You know what I meant. In real life, y'know.

Actually, I thought Fallout 3 was New Vegas. Shows what I know.

The only two FPS's that I like are Portal and Portal 2. They actually make you think. Not just other-people-are-evil-kill-them-by-mashing-buttons.

Well, Fallout 3 is a bit intelligent. At least it's got a followable storyline, and VATS boosts up the strategy level.
And if Garry's Mod counts... wait, what am I saying?

What... you... how...

How is that even possible?!?

Wolfenstein has no story whatsoever, from what I can gather. It's just another Nazi-killing game. I played the Wii port once.

I agree with AP about the Portal series.

I also thought Fallout 3 WAS New Vegas.

Correction: The first Nazi-killing game. One of the first 3D games, too. There had been some before, but the technology was more limited before then (like only turning at 90 degree angles or such). I think they also used to have stories not integrated into the games themselves to cut down on file size. But I don't know a whole lot about Wolfenstein except what I read in this out-of-print '95 game development book I have. Basically, Wolfenstein was only an original game because the technology was original. Same thing with Doom.

I also agree with AP about Portal. Though Portal isn't exactly a FPS, since you aren't shooting anything except for wall panels.

But it involves "shooting" in first-person, so I'm not sure what criteria you're basing that on.

Just the standard definition of First Person Shooter implying combat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-person_shooter
Portal is generally considered a first-person puzzle game, not a shooter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_%28video_game%29

WIKIPEDIA IS NOT ACCURATE BECUZ PPL CAN TYPE WHATEVERZSH ON THERI!

But Portal Isn't a fps it's a first person game but not a shooter, it's an fp (first person) puzzler, yea it has shooting in it but it isn't counted as an fps because of the differences between fpss like cod and portal.
(plz stop going off topic in this forum page thnx)
-BUBBLEFISH4!!

Meh, we're just killing time until your next video.

Where do you guys get these crazy ideas?

Ok bad news me and the crew are soooooo busy that we can't make many commentaries it's most likely the next one will be uploaded in the next 2-3 weeks (in the holidays).

Minecraft holiday episode?

dashing though the mine
on a one-seat grey minecart
i hope i will see
some pixelated art

I'm very much aware
that skeletons are near
i'm very sure that griefers
stole my favorite pair of sheers!!

oh, no, creepers! no, creepers!
they are up ahead!
i wish i would've used my last arrows
for this instead,

oh, no, creepers! no, creepers!
they are up ahead!
i wish i would've used my last arrows
forrrrrr.... thissss.....innn.....steeeaaaaddddd!!!!!

sssssss....... booommm!!!!!!!!!

*lol*

hm well I'm not really sure waht too do atm
But we may be doing something like the yogscast shadow of iraphel thoughts?

Shadow of Israphel was funny, but it would be an obvious copy. I suggest you do roleplaying, and film those as seperate episodes (one for like a war, another for a gang battle, or something)