@goomatz
Yup that's what I got, but I figured I'd leave it in during the "Beta" phase... let people play around with it, see if maybe setting some other attribute gets past it.
My thinking is... if no one has found any way to use it by the end of the Beta Phase... I'll take it out.
On fallingattachment... hehe, that's quite cool watching the balloon get pulled along by the ball in the pipe. As noted in the description... was never used... maybe this is why.
But maybe we can find a way around it, or exploit it for a level..
Planning to release a new beta version soon... with most of the reported bugs fixed, new checks for crashes and problems, plus a couple of extras...
My thinking is... if no one has found any way to use it by the end of the Beta Phase... I'll take it out.
I got it running.
Since this is the same error you get when you have a nonstatic geom and no mass I thought about adding a mass tag to the strand attributes. just added: 'mass="10" in the strand line. the result: the game is running.
Didn´t check the behavior yet, but will it poste soon.
edit:
the geom tag has to be true if not it crashes.
Ok they are like a rope, but the strands extends endless without breaking.
WooBLE always delete the mass when I´m changing other attributes. So I have to change the balls.xml manualy for further tests.
Dude! Excellent "shot in the dark" with the mass thing!
Done a few of those myself with some of these new discoveries.. but that one just didn't occur to me.
I'm seeing the same thing as you... so far they act just the same as "spring" with springconst's set to like 0.0001
However, I've now added mass to the strands in the WooBLE model, so next beta release (soon) you'll be able to set it in the editor, and play around with anything else you might want to.
well, i tested it, too, and found out (surprise, surprise!) negative mass values don't work! (also antigrav does nothing on a strand. )
and they just fall... indeed very rope like. i guess we're missing something.
or is there any sense in calling this rigid? (i'm not a native english speaker, so what do i know... )
I'm native English, and it makes no sense at all. In fact, seems to be the opposite of "rigid" to me, (rigid = not being able to move at all...)
Nice work finding this, goomatz!
Maybe a really high mass would make it not move as much...?
meanwhile, i can tell you more about what DOESN'T work to make rigid more rigid:
mass = 20; 200; 2000
in the strand tag:
solid="true"
rigidconstmin+max ( ="9" ) instead of spring...
the same amount on minlen maxlen1+2 and shrinklen
maxforce=20; 2000 ...
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* Some simple GUI interaction added
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* Change : Paste Here removed. Paste is still OK.
* autodisable now explained... moved to Behaviour Category
* mass attribute added to strands - Required for testing rigid.
- Seems to have no effect on spring or rope
More Checks and warnings
* Now warns if ball name attribute is not an eXaCT match for Resources id.
- And will offer to correct it for you (on startup)
* Advice (on save) if no part called "body" was found
- WooGLE looks for a part called "body" to display the goo image.
* Advice (on save) regarding throw sound event
* towermass min_value removed... On save Critical warning if set to -1 -> 1
* Checks stacking=true vs shape=circle.. which crashes the game.
* Warning if strand minlen is larger than maxlen (causes games problems)
* Advice if strand burnspeed is set, but fireparticles is not.
* Advice if strand ignitedelay > ball burntime (means fire will not spread)
With the rigid strand, maybe an undefined spring constant is defaulting to 0, causing the bug? I'm going to test it with a spring constant of 10 to see if that works.
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I'm beginning to think the rigid option might be "unuseable", don't let that stop you from trying, but....
Reading up on how the ODE engine actually works, it's got a section which talks about how you can create things that are "springy". The engine doesn't use "spring constants" directly, but the documentation does give you a couple of formulas to calculate the numbers it does use, from a spring constant and a damping factor.
The game exe must look at the "type" of the strand when does the calculations because rope has to act differently to spring. Rigid is a recognised type, but I suspect that because they never used it, they never put in the code to do the calculations for that type.
I might be wrong, and there might be some other unknown attribute which is used in the calculation for rigid.. and because we haven't found what its called yet it's always 0.
If anyone wants to look at these things inside the EXE that DaB keeps mentioning, make a copy of WorldOfGoo.exe, rename it to WorldOfGoo.txt, open it, and scroll down near the bottom. The part I'm referring to seems like a series of spaced-out, random words.
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feature request: ways (buttons/shortcuts) to sort nodes/xml elements in both of your editors.
OK.. hang on....
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Right that should work now... try clicking the column headings on the tree view.
Edit:
Not sure if you were talking about just "visual" sorting, or actually reorganising the XML...
First is apparently easy, and done already. The second may be somewhat problematic.
As we're finding with the Balls there are things that depend on the element order (part drawing, event sounds)... the same is true of levels.. there are XML elements that must appear in a particular order.
eg. Hinges must come AFTER the geometry objects they connect.
Allowing the user to click a button and "really" sort the XML tags could cause real problems.
Although I am considering something similar as a solution to the Ball Part / Layer issue.
My thought is...
Leave layer in, and add some notes to the description on the Parts page.
But make WooBLE reorganise the Part elements, into layer order when the XML file is saved.
This is how WooGLE currently "copes" with the hinge thing.
...yeah but no but yeah but i was talking about real sorting. because of the layer attribute that doesn't work, so reorganising the XML is what i meant. but you're right, where the game depends on it we can't let the user sort it... but THEN the editors should sort and view it automatically in the right order. (like when you add things like a strand, it shouldn't be added as the last node, but in it's "natural" place in the xml.)
If anyone wants to look at these things inside the EXE that DaB keeps mentioning, make a copy of WorldOfGoo.exe, rename it to WorldOfGoo.txt, open it, and scroll down near the bottom. The part I'm referring to seems like a series of spaced-out, random words.
WHAT!?!?!?!?!? Could you please figure out what all that text means and post it? Please? It might help those that don't understand text code that well (like me), and I'm only familiar with XML, HTML, and Ruby-on-Rails... not Python, C++, .EXE code... etc.
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* New: Sorts the elements into order on load and save
- Layers are sorted by the "layer" attribute
- Everything is rearranged into their "normal" places
* New: Visual Debug mode in Test Chamber - Toggle Button
* New: Show/Hide Buttons for "geom" (shape and ranges), strands, markers and shadows
High mass=low bounce, lots of earthquakes
Low mass=super bouncy
When I attached the Pokey to my 1-strand rigid Ivy as well as the triangle of Commons, it caused an earthquake and Goos went flying everywhere
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an ODE INTERNAL ERROR1 is popping up
it says:
'assertion"dMassCheck(mass)" failed in..\..\ode\src\ode.cpp:472
after clicking ok a runtime error pops up.
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@goomatz
Yup that's what I got, but I figured I'd leave it in during the "Beta" phase... let people play around with it, see if maybe setting some other attribute gets past it.
My thinking is... if no one has found any way to use it by the end of the Beta Phase... I'll take it out.
On fallingattachment... hehe, that's quite cool watching the balloon get pulled along by the ball in the pipe. As noted in the description... was never used... maybe this is why.
But maybe we can find a way around it, or exploit it for a level..
Planning to release a new beta version soon... with most of the reported bugs fixed, new checks for crashes and problems, plus a couple of extras...
My thinking is... if no one has found any way to use it by the end of the Beta Phase... I'll take it out.
I got it running.
Since this is the same error you get when you have a nonstatic geom and no mass I thought about adding a mass tag to the strand attributes. just added: 'mass="10" in the strand line. the result: the game is running.
Didn´t check the behavior yet, but will it poste soon.
edit:
the geom tag has to be true if not it crashes.
Ok they are like a rope, but the strands extends endless without breaking.
WooBLE always delete the mass when I´m changing other attributes. So I have to change the balls.xml manualy for further tests.
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Dude! Excellent "shot in the dark" with the mass thing!
Done a few of those myself with some of these new discoveries.. but that one just didn't occur to me.
I'm seeing the same thing as you... so far they act just the same as "spring" with springconst's set to like 0.0001
However, I've now added mass to the strands in the WooBLE model, so next beta release (soon) you'll be able to set it in the editor, and play around with anything else you might want to.
Hey, good work, goomatz!
haven't tested it myself, but will now.
Can one of you think of a use, for which it was originally intended?
Also, I thought, rigid would be something solid, not rope-like?!
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Can one of you think of a use, for which it was originally intended?
I don´t know. maybe with some other settings you get some kind of bungeerope.
I will use this in my sequel level called keep on running.
Also, I thought, rigid would be something solid, not rope-like?!
I thought that too and was surprised to see it`s behavior.
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well, i tested it, too, and found out (surprise, surprise!) negative mass values don't work!
(also antigrav does nothing on a strand. 
)
)
and they just fall... indeed very rope like. i guess we're missing something.
or is there any sense in calling this rigid? (i'm not a native english speaker, so what do i know...
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I'm native English, and it makes no sense at all. In fact, seems to be the opposite of "rigid" to me, (rigid = not being able to move at all...)
Nice work finding this, goomatz!
Maybe a really high mass would make it not move as much...?
EDIT: Look what happens when the ball gets sucked in all the way!
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8589/ballglitch.png
Funny glitches, huh?
EDIT2: Seems like this causes the game to crash on certain instances, however.
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ha. nice.^^
meanwhile, i can tell you more about what DOESN'T work to make rigid more rigid:
mass = 20; 200; 2000
in the strand tag:
solid="true"
rigidconstmin+max ( ="9" ) instead of spring...
the same amount on minlen maxlen1+2 and shrinklen
maxforce=20; 2000 ...
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With the rigid strand, maybe an undefined spring constant is defaulting to 0, causing the bug? I'm going to test it with a spring constant of 10 to see if that works.
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I'm beginning to think the rigid option might be "unuseable", don't let that stop you from trying, but....
Reading up on how the ODE engine actually works, it's got a section which talks about how you can create things that are "springy". The engine doesn't use "spring constants" directly, but the documentation does give you a couple of formulas to calculate the numbers it does use, from a spring constant and a damping factor.
The game exe must look at the "type" of the strand when does the calculations because rope has to act differently to spring. Rigid is a recognised type, but I suspect that because they never used it, they never put in the code to do the calculations for that type.
I might be wrong, and there might be some other unknown attribute which is used in the calculation for rigid.. and because we haven't found what its called yet it's always 0.
I opened the exe with xvi32, but didn't see anything else under "balls."
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@Daft
as a follow up to the comments here:
http://goofans.com/developers/game-file-formats/parts
feature request:
ways (buttons/shortcuts) to sort nodes/xml elements in both of your editors.
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If anyone wants to look at these things inside the EXE that DaB keeps mentioning, make a copy of
WorldOfGoo.exe, rename it toWorldOfGoo.txt, open it, and scroll down near the bottom. The part I'm referring to seems like a series of spaced-out, random words.Another Planet finally has an official release! Download chapters 1 through 3 here! Thank you for waiting so long while I kept starting over.
WorldofGoo.exe:
AVWinResourceLoader@Boy@@...AVTickableQueue@BoyLib@@... AVButtonWidget@Sexy@@....AVFModMusicInterface@Sexy@@... AVSexyAppBase@Sexy@@...AVSoundPlayer@Boy@@...| Fly Her to the Moon (with Antigravity Goo) | Infinitive Windows Freezer (unlimited Goo playground) |
That's the PopCap game framework's name.
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What? What name?
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OK.. hang on....
Right that should work now... try clicking the column headings on the tree view.
Edit:
Not sure if you were talking about just "visual" sorting, or actually reorganising the XML...
First is apparently easy, and done already. The second may be somewhat problematic.
As we're finding with the Balls there are things that depend on the element order (part drawing, event sounds)... the same is true of levels.. there are XML elements that must appear in a particular order.
eg. Hinges must come AFTER the geometry objects they connect.
Allowing the user to click a button and "really" sort the XML tags could cause real problems.
Although I am considering something similar as a solution to the Ball Part / Layer issue.
My thought is...
Leave layer in, and add some notes to the description on the Parts page.
But make WooBLE reorganise the Part elements, into layer order when the XML file is saved.
This is how WooGLE currently "copes" with the hinge thing.
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if window 7?
Spongebob rulez too
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"if window(s ) 7?" what? where is the rest of that question?
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WorldOfGoo.exe, rename it toWorldOfGoo.txt, open it, and scroll down near the bottom. The part I'm referring to seems like a series of spaced-out, random words.Spongebob rulez too
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I did it on Windows 7. Here's the part I mean:
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WHAT!?!?!?!?!? Could you please figure out what all that text means and post it? Please? It might help those that don't understand text code that well (like me), and I'm only familiar with XML, HTML, and Ruby-on-Rails... not Python, C++, .EXE code... etc.
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It's more a list of allowed attributes than code.
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Rigid strand discoveries:
High mass=low bounce, lots of earthquakes
Low mass=super bouncy
When I attached the Pokey to my 1-strand rigid Ivy as well as the triangle of Commons, it caused an earthquake and Goos went flying everywhere
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Sweet. Good work discovering all that, AP.
Goos flying everywhere... sounds like fun! Might even be useful in a level someplace.
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It seemed like the shaking bug...maybe it was caused by the spring constant of 100,000.
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